tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28113958.post6373914601142663816..comments2023-04-12T06:03:45.813-05:00Comments on D-PLUM dot org: Leading From WithinDARREN PLUMMER:http://www.blogger.com/profile/11388783503099318526noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28113958.post-77661019597995588952008-12-04T16:38:00.000-05:002008-12-04T16:38:00.000-05:00Doc K:1. If the leadership doesn't have clear visi...Doc K:<BR/><BR/>1. If the leadership doesn't have clear vision, then I'm probably sunk. Unless the pastor and the men around him are humble enough to admit that and is willing to allow someone to walk alongside of them and help, then we're simply spinning plates and I probably won't have much impact anyway. <BR/><BR/>This actually is an all-too-common problem... but I can't see myself aligning with a church who's vision isn't clear.<BR/><BR/>2. My question would be, "Does the vision EVER change, really?" I mean, if I said it was originally "from God" then what right do I have to "change" it? Will it be tweaked? Does it "crystallize"? Yes. Change? I don't think so!<BR/><BR/>So, if ONE PERSON OR GROUP is constantly changing it, it most likely means theyv'e not heard from God.<BR/><BR/>DPDARREN PLUMMER:https://www.blogger.com/profile/11388783503099318526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28113958.post-24247856921601818572008-12-04T16:28:00.000-05:002008-12-04T16:28:00.000-05:00Gotta believe Him... or we're sunk. ;-)Gotta believe Him... or we're sunk. ;-)DARREN PLUMMER:https://www.blogger.com/profile/11388783503099318526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28113958.post-54603340091466151082008-12-03T11:26:00.000-05:002008-12-03T11:26:00.000-05:00So on time! I think the hardest thing to do is to ...So on time! I think the hardest thing to do is to align myself with church leadership when my excitement says 'but you're doing it all wrong!' Slowly learning principle number 1, and believing God in the process.smcqueenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06782714462144018656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28113958.post-90745543489133546072008-12-03T09:18:00.000-05:002008-12-03T09:18:00.000-05:00Pastor Darren,Great posts. I think you are tapping...Pastor Darren,<BR/><BR/>Great posts. I think you are tapping into a frustration that many people feel in church and para-church ministry. And you are right, most people either complain or give up when their ideas are not highlighted by the senior leadership.<BR/><BR/>I like to think of it as catching a vision and then casting a vision. Some folks are good at catching a vision--but they do it alone. And then they are not good at helping others to catch the vision. Personally, I find it most effective and most biblical for people to catch a vision in community and then cast that vision in community.<BR/><BR/>As you rightly say, going with the already-established vision of the church/pastor/para-church is a key.<BR/><BR/>Here's a follow-up question or two.<BR/><BR/>1. What if the leadership has no clear vision?<BR/><BR/>2. What if the leadership is changing the vision unilaterally?Doc. K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03335748073172572595noreply@blogger.com